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expect from their nato ally. the need to say the european nations can't pay ransom money to terrorist groups because that simply fuels them to buy arms and soldiers. >> michael: but is nato looking to the united states richard to be the nation that says okay you guys listen up what happened with germany and france they paid these ransoms and got these 18 people out, and now they have funded these groups? why is it incumbent upon the united states then to be -- you know -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> the united states pays more than two-thirds of the nato budget so we have a lion's share of influence. the money paid to save the germans and french backpackers, that trend has continued. now we have encouraged -- our allies have encouraged this industry by rewarding it with money, and instead of reacting -- using other means. >> michael: of course it is going to continue if it has worked. i want to ask you as someone who has a degree of expertise in this, where do you see this going now? and what would america's role be? on the ground, with drones? what is your tak
's talk about some of the implications before we get to the blaming. the nato commission is being held up at this point, right, for general allen. they're still deciding if there's an implication for him in this. >> absolutely as a four-star you have a limited amount of time where you can serve in between positions and if you don't get confirmed which the nato position requires senate confirmation you revert back to the lower grade, so there's a real personal incentive to get this thing going as quickly as possible so he can move on to his next job and that clearly is in doubt. >> we talked about remember the 30,000 pages of documents which jill kelley tells howie, sunny, it's more like a couple hundred so that to me seems to be here and here and i get there's a difference between 300 or 400 e-mails and pages of documents. it's a little bit apples and oranges but she wouldn't tell howie, didn't let him read the e-mails, as you're a lawyer on this panel, how do you feel about that? >> you know, i'm concerned by it. it seems that when someone is being less than transparent, when there's som
and interest in mali. i think we should support them to the extent we can. they're one of our nato allies and they have been a friend of ours. but we have to keep our eye on the places. i don't think it will require american soldiers on the ground, but we have to realize that al qaeda has been badly diminished. let's not overlook the success we have had. but it doesn't mean it's gone away. and it doesn't mean that every al qaeda cell is getting ready to attack the united states of america. they're doing other things in the region as well. so be vigilant. help our friends. i don't think there's a need for a commitment of american troops. >> mr. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. as we watch this live shot of the entrance to the west wing of the white house where we're expecting the president and the first lady to come out any moment now to go to the limousine and take the trip of 1.6 miles to the capital for his second inauguration. mr. secretary, thank you for your time. >> thank you. >>> john dickerson, our cbs 23450us -- news political director is down there on the national
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